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+[01:07:41] <DP2015> whats the differnece between   vertx-mysql-postgresql-client,     SQL common  and   JDBC client
+[08:16:39] <jac_> The JDBC examples at https://github.com/vert-x3/vertx-examples/tree/master/jdbc-examples all lead to broken links.
+[08:22:36] <millrossjez> they seem to work for me
+[08:23:19] <millrossjez> eg I just navigated from the url you gave to https://github.com/vert-x3/vertx-examples/blob/master/jdbc-examples/src/main/groovy/io/vertx/example/jdbc/query_params/jdbc_example.groovy
+[08:29:14] <jac_> Yes, the source is there only the links lower on the page lead to 404's for me.
+[08:43:50] <purplefox_> jac_: please could you add a github issue?
+[08:43:56] <purplefox_> i trust you can navigate manually for now
+[09:18:20] <jac_> purplefox - sure thing, I'll make sure it's done sometime today.
+[10:11:42] <purplefox_> temporalfox: cescoffier: cescoffier: hi folks did you get a chance to look at https://github.com/vert-x3/wiki/wiki/Vert.x-3-Official-stack-and-component-maintainers yet?
+[10:11:56] <temporalfox> wasn't aware of it :-)
+[10:12:07] <purplefox_> i posted on the google group yesterday about it
+[10:12:23] <temporalfox> I'm genboy !!!!
+[10:12:32] <temporalfox> catching up :-)
+[10:13:50] <purplefox_> i've put down some initial assignments but these are just guesses
+[10:14:08] <purplefox_> yeah, genboy, but this is just because you've done most of the work in that area :)
+[10:14:50] <purplefox_> temporalfox: pmlopes cescoffier: also some feedback/discussion on the actual document would be good
+[10:14:55] <temporalfox> ok
+[10:15:05] <purplefox_> do you agree? disagree? (with the idea)
+[10:15:15] <purplefox_> can it be improved etc
+[10:16:40] <temporalfox> at first look it makes sense to me
+[10:19:04] <purplefox_> so it's really just formalising what is already true - the independent nature of Vert.x
+[10:19:22] <cescoffier> I'm the hype guy : just the hype thingy for me :-)
+[10:19:22] <cescoffier> I definitely agree, we need referals for all components (point of contact)
+[10:20:36] <purplefox_> +1
+[10:20:46] <purplefox_> I'd also like to actively try and get more non red hat people involved
+[10:21:02] <purplefox_> as we are quite "skewed" towards RH at the moment
+[10:21:28] <pmlopes> i agree
+[10:24:00] <purplefox_> if you guys have a preference for any particular component (or don't want to do one) just say
+[10:24:12] <purplefox_> like i say, what i have put down there for now is just an initial guess
+[10:24:16] <purplefox_> there are plenty of slots to fill
+[10:24:51] <pmlopes> i was thinking that i can take care of sql and/or auth
+[10:26:05] <purplefox_> sounds good to me
+[10:26:17] <purplefox_> that goes together well with web stuff too
+[10:26:45] <pmlopes> yes
+[10:28:39] <purplefox_> but also we need to leave some stuff for clement too :)
+[10:28:47] <purplefox_> cescoffier: do you have any preferences?
+[10:28:57] <pmlopes> only hip stuff, mongodb :)
+[10:29:06] <pmlopes> just kidding :)
+[10:29:27] <cescoffier> the services
+[10:29:28] <cescoffier> I already looked into them
+[10:29:37] <cescoffier> (mongo is not hype anymore ;-))
+[10:30:22] <cescoffier> having the same lead for data access make sense as things need to be homogeneous
+[10:32:28] <cescoffier> there are 'transversal' stuff that could be mentioned too
+[10:33:28] <cescoffier> such as build, examples ....
+[10:33:55] <purplefox_> +1
+[10:34:05] <purplefox_> actually i just added examples and added you as maintainer ;)
+[10:34:27] <purplefox_> build stuff, you mean as in managing the vertx-parent, vertx-ext-parent stuff?
+[10:34:50] <cescoffier> yes, + CI and automatisation
+[10:35:07] <cescoffier> and stack
+[10:35:08] <purplefox_> i think CI should be the responsibility of the individual component maointainer to make sure the component is on CI
+[10:35:29] <purplefox_> stack i have on the list already under "distributions"
+[10:35:54] <cescoffier> Missed it sorry
+[10:36:08] <purplefox_> i've assigned julien but if you want it...
+[10:36:58] <purplefox_> up til now Julien has been our in house "Maven guru", but maybe you want to take over the role, considering you have a lot of skills in this area :)
+[10:38:48] <cescoffier> Up to you, I can do it.
+[10:40:09] <purplefox_> don't feel compelled to say yes, it's totally up to you. i can leave it with julien too :)
+[10:40:21] <purplefox_> maybe you have a fight amongst yourselves ;)
+[10:41:29] <cescoffier> no no, Maven is fine
+[10:41:39] <cescoffier> I will do it
+[10:42:05] <cescoffier> except if Julien want to keep it ;-)
+[10:42:12] <temporalfox> I think we can share it :-)
+[10:42:42] <purplefox_> ok so let's just keep julien as maintainer for now, but you can help out if you like
+[10:42:55] <cescoffier> ok
+[10:43:06] <purplefox_> one key thing about maintainership is you don't have to do all the work yourself, delegation is fine. it's just the responsibility for delivery is on the maintainer
+[10:44:10] <temporalfox> I would rather for now keep "maintainership" and hand it to clement over time, as he seems more active than me on the subject
+[10:44:19] <purplefox_> cescoffier: I'm not sure if michael will be able to take maintainership of the website, but if not maybe that's something you would like too?
+[10:44:29] <purplefox_> considering you know it pretty well now, after your work with blogs etc
+[10:44:41] <cescoffier> definitely, I'm now able to maintain the web site
+[10:44:43] <purplefox_> temporalfox: +1
+[10:46:43] <cescoffier> right now, I'm more looking at things on almost any project than focusing a one
+[10:47:32] <purplefox_> right and it's fine to continue doing that
+[10:47:53] <purplefox_> i think we should continue to fix bugs / do stuff in other projects
+[10:48:18] <purplefox_> this is really more about ownership which is less of an issue for us as full time employees but more important when it comes to community maintainers
+[10:48:46] <purplefox_> so don't feel that just because you're not maintainer you can't do stuff in a component :)
+[10:49:06] <cescoffier> So I can still break things everywhere :-)
+[10:49:56] <purplefox_> yes :)
+[10:49:59] <purplefox_> (me too)_
+[10:51:01] <cescoffier> and ownerships is going to evolve with time
+[10:51:17] <cescoffier> as new components are going to appear and work load too
+[10:52:18] <purplefox_> another related thing we should discuss is assignment of 3.1 tasks
+[10:52:55] <pmlopes> yes when should we do that?
+[10:52:59] <cescoffier> Was thinking doing that on Friday during the meeting
+[10:53:35] <cescoffier> we could add a column in the spreadsheet and say what we would like to do
+[10:54:41] <purplefox_> some of the stuff is pretty obvious - like Ceylon - julien ;)
+[10:54:49] <purplefox_> other stuff is not us
+[10:54:51] <cescoffier> I would like to do the Starter class
+[10:55:16] <purplefox_> sounds good to me
+[10:55:33] <purplefox_> let me just add names by the obvious stuff for now...
+[10:56:27] <temporalfox> I've been sharing my time between ceylon and shell recently
+[10:56:56] <purplefox_> ok i've added some names, could you take a look?
+[10:57:57] <cescoffier> where ?
+[10:58:06] <purplefox_> https://github.com/vert-x3/wiki/wiki/Vert.x-Roadmap
+[10:58:08] <purplefox_> scroll down
+[10:58:31] <purplefox_> redeploy is up for grabs
+[10:58:55] <cescoffier> the redeploy is part of the starter class refactoring
+[10:58:57] <temporalfox> I believe clement would be fine with it :-)
+[10:59:02] <purplefox_> ok fine
+[10:59:23] <purplefox_> dns based discovery
+[10:59:24] <temporalfox> I would mind working on event bus transport plugable at some point
+[10:59:30] <cescoffier> I will also do the DNS based discovery as it's mainly for docker / openshift
+[10:59:52] <purplefox_> ha, i just grabbed the event bus one.. but maybe we can work together on it :)
+[10:59:59] <temporalfox> but maybe purplefox_  you prefer to do it :-)
+[11:00:09] <temporalfox> purplefox_ no problem
+[11:00:17] <temporalfox> I spent some time on event bus internal and bug fixes
+[11:00:22] <temporalfox> I just feel familiar with it
+[11:00:29] <purplefox_> my slight concern with you julien is we only have you partially, and ceylon is you're "official" focus ;)
+[11:00:30] <temporalfox> we'll do like the worker
+[11:00:31] <pmlopes> i can try to look at the tcp socket bridge
+[11:00:39] <temporalfox> you do the impl and I find the bugs :-)
+[11:00:42] <purplefox_> lol
+[11:00:58] <purplefox_> so i write the bugs, then you make it usable? seems like a fair deal ;)
+[11:00:58] <temporalfox> yes you are right
+[11:01:13] <temporalfox> given that I also want to do some metrics SPI improvements for shell
+[11:01:22] <temporalfox> to expose more internals interactively
+[11:01:24] <cescoffier> they are tasks not listed here around the eventbus.js (Node.JS compatibility, API update)
+[11:01:51] <temporalfox> one non official task I would actually claim
+[11:01:57] <temporalfox> (like eventbus that clement said)
+[11:02:09] <temporalfox> is codegen usability / improvements
+[11:02:19] <purplefox_> right, so the roadmap list is just the larger high level tasks
+[11:02:19] <temporalfox> to have other use it
+[11:02:24] <temporalfox> but it's implicit
+[11:02:26] <purplefox_> there are a bunch of other smaller tasks and fixes to do
+[11:02:33] <purplefox_> maybe we should capture *everything* as issues?
+[11:03:27] <cescoffier> yes, we should
+[11:03:45] <cescoffier> I was even thinking opening mirror issues on vertx-3/issues for issues on BZ
+[11:03:54] <cescoffier> just to visualize them in waffle
+[11:04:01] <temporalfox> I think we should capture ideas but not go in the trap to have too many fine grained issues
+[11:04:02] <pmlopes> yes i agree otherwise we loose track
+[11:05:23] <cescoffier> Most of these tasks are going to be umbrellas anyway
+[11:06:25] <purplefox_> sounds reasonable
+[11:06:36] <purplefox_> i think we should also consider using milestone tags in GH issues
+[11:06:38] <cescoffier> So we should create the high level task and each implementor can refer to these issues when doing some work
+[11:06:42] <purplefox_> so we can say which release they are due on
+[11:07:01] <purplefox_> cescoffier: +1
+[11:07:34] <purplefox_> and then we also go through all other issues and tag them with milestone 3.1 if they are going in 3.1 (?)
+[11:07:54] <cescoffier> ok
+[11:08:06] <cescoffier> I can create the issues if you want
+[11:08:52] <purplefox_> sounds good
+[11:08:53] <purplefox_> thanks
+[11:09:15] <purplefox_> bugzilla is still a pain, of course. I hate having to also manage issues there :(
+[11:09:27] <cescoffier> will do that today (once I finish the vertx-web exampels automation)
+[11:09:35] <purplefox_> hmm, i wonder if we can mirror bz core issues
+[11:10:04] <purplefox_> i.e. every time we enter a BZ for vertx-core (as eclipse mandates) we can also open a corresponding issue in vertx-core github issues
+[11:10:11] <purplefox_> then we can see everything nicely in waffle
+[11:10:12] <cescoffier> I can have a look, I've seen a web site doing the mirroring
+[11:10:29] <purplefox_> ah if it's automatic even better :)
+[11:10:40] <purplefox_> that would be a killer
+[11:12:37] <cescoffier> I let you know today
+[11:22:06] <purplefox_> temporalfox: could you ask thomas segismont if he is happy to be the official maintainer for the hawkular metrics, and point him in the direction of https://github.com/vert-x3/wiki/wiki/Vert.x-3-Official-stack-and-component-maintainers so he knows the expectations and responsibilities?
+[11:22:22] <temporalfox> yes I will ask him
+[11:22:31] <purplefox_> thanks
+[11:22:43] <temporalfox> he's maybe on holidays now so don't expect an quick answer :-)
+[11:26:00] <cescoffier> pmlopes: are you around ?
+[11:28:05] <cescoffier> purplefox_ did you have time to have a quick look to the introduction to Vert.x post series ?
+[11:32:38] <pmlopes> yes i am
+[11:32:58] <cescoffier> pmlopes: in the realtime angular js example, we have quite some JS libraries
+[11:33:13] <cescoffier> in the js3rdparty directory
+[11:33:23] <cescoffier> other examples don't have this and use CDN
+[11:33:32] <cescoffier> is it on purpose ?
+[11:33:34] <pmlopes> no
+[11:34:12] <pmlopes> i think it can be refactored to use only CDNs
+[11:37:27] <cescoffier> ok, so I don't have to test that files are served ;-)
+[11:38:11] <cescoffier> I just have cors to do and I cover all web examples
+[11:41:52] <purplefox_> pmlopes: cescoffier: temporalfox: i think we should also consider having a periodic "vert.x committer" Bluejeans (?) meeting every so often, to discuss roadmap with the other vert.x committers who aren't all going to be Red Hat folks
+[11:42:09] <purplefox_> i.e. it wouldn't be an internal meeting
+[11:42:16] <temporalfox> some open source projects do that with google hangouts
+[11:42:26] <temporalfox> I remember I did a couple with jenkins team
+[11:42:28] <purplefox_> +1
+[11:42:31] <temporalfox> just to see how it was
+[11:42:44] <pmlopes> in that case shouldn't we use google hanghouts? or can anyone join bluejeans
+[11:42:48] <purplefox_> i'm thinking maybe we could do that once per month
+[11:42:58] <cescoffier> yes, that would be good to do them periodically
+[11:43:17] <cescoffier> anyone can join bluejean if they have an invitation BUT people prefer hangout
+[11:43:37] <purplefox_> both bj and google hangouts has pros and cons:
+[11:43:43] <purplefox_> bluejeans: doesn't work on chrome on linux
+[11:43:55] <purplefox_> google hangouts: requires google+ account
+[11:44:24] <purplefox_> from a technical point of view i prefer google hangouts
+[12:02:10] <purplefox_> pmlopes: would you like to be the maintainer for the JS Vert.x language implementation?
+[12:02:44] <pmlopes> humm yes, i need to get acquainted with the code though
+[12:03:22] <purplefox_> maybe this would be good for you as it would get you aquainted with the codegen stuff
+[12:03:55] <purplefox_> temporalfox: And you julien the groovy lang impl too i guess, unless you can think of anyone else?
+[12:05:47] <aesteve> hi everyone :)
+[12:06:02] <purplefox_> hi
+[12:06:18] <aesteve> pmlopes: since you're the vertx-web guru maintainer, maybe you could tell me if https://github.com/vert-x3/vertx-web/pull/130 is OK ?
+[12:10:08] <pmlopes> why does the renderTemplate needs to be run inside executeBlocking? template is already in memory i guess so theoretically no blocking operations should happen right?
+[12:11:25] <purplefox_> pmlopes: i think it's because it just might take a long time, if the template / data is big
+[12:11:32] <purplefox_> but i think the executeBlocking should be configurable
+[12:11:42] <purplefox_> because in many cases it will be very quick
+[12:12:15] <aesteve> yes I was concerned about rendering in case Context.Data() contains a lot of stuff, or the template loops on something huge
+[12:12:38] <aesteve> more than configurable, adaptative would be awesome
+[12:12:57] <purplefox_> I would default _not_ use executeBlocking but allow it as an option for those user where rendering is slow
+[12:13:10] <purplefox_> adaptable would be great, but it's also hard to get it right
+[12:13:26] <cescoffier> purplefox_ temporalfox pmlopes : All web examples have been automated.... Results soon.
+[12:13:35] <pmlopes> cool!
+[12:13:54] <aesteve> not sure if I dreamed it but didn't you tell someone on the user group that for template rendering you used some kind of adaptative blocking/non-blocking ?
+[12:15:46] <purplefox_> that's in statichandler
+[12:15:57] <purplefox_> but we should really make it general
+[12:17:04] <aesteve> Anyway, how would you make it configurable ? Because it's rmore a template/template, or even worse, context/context
+[12:17:58] <aesteve> eg : a template loops on context.data and does heavy stuff
+[12:18:24] <aesteve> and obviously, context.data() is fetched from database...
+[12:18:48] <aesteve> in this case, there's no way the user can tell if it's gonna be slow when creating the template engine
+[12:21:53] <aesteve> the only thing I'd see is like a "criteria API" like "boolean isBlocking(String templateFileName, RoutingContext context)" returning false by default, and the user would derive GroovyTemplateEngine if needed ?
+[12:21:58] <aesteve> but that seems overkill
+[12:23:27] <purplefox_> aesteve: just a boolean flag when creating the template engine i was thinking
+[12:23:37] <purplefox_> or even in the template handler
+[12:24:30] <aesteve> yeah maybe. I'm not sure that suits the use case well
+[12:25:02] <aesteve> a templateHandler will potentially handle a lot of templates, most of them are simple but a single one is "dangerous"
+[12:25:40] <aesteve> well I'm not sure but I'll do that. "When in doubt, go for the easy implementation".
+[12:30:41] <purplefox_> indeed. we can always do more sophisticated implementations later. and at least this allows a user to separate out their slow templates from their fast ones and use different template handlers if there is an issue
+[12:32:16] <purplefox_> aesteve: hmm just a thought...
+[12:32:46] <purplefox_> users can already make any template handler blocking by just setting it as blocking handler no?
+[12:32:48] <purplefox_> route().blockingHandler(TemplateHandler.create(..));
+[12:33:02] <purplefox_> so i guess a boolean flag is redundant
+[12:34:47] <aesteve> indeed
+[12:35:03] <aesteve> i thought I had written it
+[12:35:12] <aesteve> I thought it out loud... maybe
+[12:36:17] <aesteve> so, no boolean flag, no execute blocking on rendering, and let's keep in mind we could reuse the adaptative static handler in such situations
+[12:36:26] <aesteve> are you fine with that ?
+[12:36:58] <purplefox_> agreed
+[12:37:23] <purplefox_> at some point in the future we should considering making blockingHandler more smart - i.e. adaptive
+[12:37:34] <aesteve> ok I write it down in the PR and I'll fix it
+[12:38:21] <purplefox_> but in any case, paulo is the maintainer here, this is just my suggestion :)
+[12:39:33] <aesteve> I've added a note in the PR, and I'll see what Paole thinks after lunch
+[12:39:42] <aesteve> Bon app[unknown:eacute]tit, and thanks
+[12:42:11] <purplefox_> cescoffier: can this one be closed now? https://github.com/vert-x3/vertx-web/issues/137
+[12:50:10] <purplefox_> temporalfox: cescoffier pmlopes: i'm thinking we should have another google group for vertx-committers
+[12:50:16] <purplefox_> which only vertx-committers can post to
+[12:50:41] <purplefox_> where we can discuss voting in new committers, new components etc, or roadmap discussions relating to the official stack
+[13:05:00] <cescoffier> purplefox_: temporalfox wanted to look at the maven / npm stuff
+[13:05:10] <cescoffier> that's why its not merged yet
+[13:05:46] <purplefox_> ok, np
+[23:51:32] <jtruelove> this code looks funny https://github.com/vert-x3/vertx-web/blob/master/src/main/java/io/vertx/ext/web/impl/RouteImpl.java#L132
+[23:51:48] <jtruelove> why does last take this parameter it totally ignores
+[23:52:18] <jtruelove> true or false it's going last it seems